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lotsadox
02-25-2009, 08:16 PM
I've been working my way thru the When Pigs Fly training book that Courtney suggested. It's just fantastic. I've been working with my dogs and it's amazing how well it works.

Anyway, last night I read the section on Recall. It made so much sense that I thought I'd post it here in case it helps others. She is talking about why Pigs Fly dogs (her name for hard to train dogs) don't come when called. She says,

Getting a Pigs Fly dog to come when called, especially with distractions, is one of the most challenging things you will ever do. When you call a Sheltie, he will generally snap to attention and zoom into you as fast as his cute little legs will carry him. When you call your dog, what happens? He runs a complex risk-benefit analysis which involves taking an extensive inventory of all the known interesting things multiplied by the promising possibilities he can explore if he remains at liberty, versus the fact that you would be very happy, or at least not too angry, if he came to you. Hmm. Wonder how that equation is going to work out?

A lot of people want to know why their dog won’t come when called. To me it is much more mystifying why some breeds of dogs generally DO come when called. On one side of the balance sheet is the lure of everything interesting , fun and good in the world, and on the other side is “You”. What does You mean to your dog? Biddable dogs seem to be born with an abnormally high opinion of You. It is just not natural to want to give up liberty and all the fun that goes with it at the drop of a hat, simply for the chance to be near a human. There has to have been some very strong genetic selection for this trait. Your Pigs Fly dog is not equipped with the “come when called” gene. Until we isolate that gene and learn how to splice it onto the “Come? Whaddayoucrazy?” gene, we will have to rely on training and conditioning to build up the value of You to your dog.

Biddable dogs are ones that are easy to train BTW.

I had a real lightbulb moment about this. I always knew that for a good recall you had to make it so the dog wanted to come to you, but wasn't always able to do this. Now I see why. Now, I realize that just getting a treat may not be enough to make it more attractive to come than to run around the yard. I've started working with Scooter by calling him to me and then making a big fuss over him and playing with him, giving him treats and roughing him up (which he loves). It seems to be really working. He had a fair recall before and it seems to be getting stronger now.

She goes on for several pages with pictures about how to accomplish the recall. Too much to post here, but the whole idea that You has to be better than "out there" made it easier to work with Scooter.

I hope this helps some of you as much as it did me.

Barb
02-25-2009, 08:19 PM
oh yay - very interesting !!!! I need all the help I can get !!!! Thx for posting -

Otto'sMom
02-25-2009, 08:37 PM
I have always made sure to make a big deal when the dog comes to me. I'm pretty proud of Dolly when she comes, it took a long time for me to get it with her.

Frzframe
02-25-2009, 09:18 PM
See thats the thing I do make a huge fuss over them all coming in and I play with them and do all the things they like and get them all excited to be inside. I know they like to be with me cause Charlie has to sit his butt on my shoulder and be close to me. :scratch: I'll have to think more on this ....

Courtney
02-25-2009, 10:34 PM
Some other key ideas.

Make sure that them coming to you does NOT always equal end of playtime, or going inside, etc. You can really build value when you call, reward, praise, and let them go BACK to playing or hanging out. I do this with Thor a lot when we are able to go off-leash at the fields around our agility trials. His recall is excellent now and I will always keep making it valuable to him to come to me.

Don't give a command when you know the dog is going to ignore it. :) Set the dog up for success, reward often, repeat.

Also using a jackpot really works to get an idea in the dog's head that what he did was right. Use several small treats doled out one at a time rather than just giving them a bunch of treats as a handful. This is how I got Thor to weave at a trial - jackpot on the weaves in the warm-up area.

Frzframe
02-25-2009, 10:56 PM
I never have trouble getting them to come in when I first get home because they know I feed them once they come inside. It's the second and third time ... at least I'm on the right track with treats as I give them each a few smaller bites one at a time. Charlie has taken to going back outside in order to come back in a getting more treats! :rotfl:

Otto'sMom
02-25-2009, 11:03 PM
So, just how do you get a Shonda to come when called? In a non toothbrush vibrating way, of course.

/just saying what Jen is thinking when she reads this.

lotsadox
02-25-2009, 11:04 PM
Courtney's right about making coming to you part of play time and about jackpotting. Also, the treats have to be really, really good. Remember, you're competing with all the fun stuff to do outside. Get salmon treats or pieces of hot dog or a squeaky toy or ball, if that's what he likes. Make it really worth his while to come to you rather than to stay outside.

And DO set him up for success. Call him when you know he'll come to you and then jackpot with something really good. And do it a lot. Repetition. When you're watching tv in the evening, call him to you and then treat him for coming. Then let him go back to being a dog.

That's how I got Miller to recall to pass his CGC. I was working out of the house at the time which made it much easier. Every time I got up to get coffee or go to the bathroom we did a couple recalls. Then morning and evening we went outside for training sessions with still more recalls. I probably did 50 of them a day. But he went from being a dog that would WALK the whole 20 feet to me s-l-o-w-l-y to a dog that RAN to me. I actually got a standing ovation from the class and had a guy ask me how in the world I did that.

It's work, but it's SO worth it.

Frzframe
02-25-2009, 11:12 PM
So, just how do you get a Shonda to come when called? In a non toothbrush vibrating way, of course.

/just saying what Jen is thinking when she reads this.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Oh all the treats he loves. All I have to do is pick up the bag (whatever they might be) and crinkle it and he looks up. Then he has to see me open the bag then he'll come. He is getting a lot better but when I need to be doing things inside he still has to stay inside because I don't trust him not climb the fence.

OH and I forgot last week when I was putting out the trash I didn't notice him run out the back door with me. I'm going about getting the trash ready to take to the curb and so I open the gate and out runs Charlie. Okay, I don't panic and say in a happy fun voice ... What a silly boy Charlie .... come get a treat and went back in through the gate and he followed me back inside and he got his treat. He was such a good boy!!! :)

Now how to stop him, Dudley and Mitzi from eating poop! :faint: