At my wits end

[Frzframe]

We all were outside and everyone was getting along great then wham it happened again. Boomer attacked Dudley and this time it was really really bad. I couldn't get them apart and when I finally did I was holding Dudley, Boomer kept jumping up trying to bite Dudley and he finally was able to grad hold of his hind leg so it started up again. We had just got into the house and I tried everything to get them apart but nothing was working. I was so scared but I finally got both of them by the scruffs and was able to pull them apart. Dudley was bleeding pretty bad but thank goodness it was just his eyebrow and his ear (yep same side as before) I cleaned him up and he went to hide. I finally got him to come cuddle with me but he was really sore. Boomer just lost some fur out of the whole mess. Now every time Boomer sees Dudley outside or just right when he comes inside he gets all tense like he's ready to attack. I was supposed to go to a going away party for a good friend but I couldn't leave Dudley because I wanted to make sure he was going to be alright. Poor guy was soooo scared of Boomer that he didn't want to go near him but late last night Dudley went up to Boomer wagging his tail and tried to give him kisses but Boomer was all tense which made me all tense and well Boomer got put up in his kennel.

I don't' let the boys out together at all. When Dudley is outside then Boomer gets to cuddle with me on the sofa of play with his toys and then I swap them out goes Boomer and in comes Dudley. When it's later at night Boomer is kenneled up. I don't want to have to live like this so I have an email out to my rescue group also asking for help and if the board says it's okay I might get to take him to see a behaviorist.

Any way sorry for the long post but I just needed to vent and :( a little.

[duchiesmom]

oh Shonda! Bummer... So sorry they still feel the need to feud.
:hug99: to you, and bonding :bigrayz: for the puppers.

[Irminsul]

I'm so sorry things have escalated. You might not be able to keep one of them. It doesn't sound like they can work this one out. :sosad:

[catstamm]

Oh my God...I would have freaked....are both of these puppers altered????? Turning the hose on them full blast usually help stop a fight!!! I hope you never experience one again!! so sorry:hug99:

[Chris]

I think the behaviorist is a good move.

There were no problems with them before Lily entered into the picture, is that correct?

Were the other dogs around or does he seem to only attack him when the two are "alone". If he plays nice with Lily, like you said before, it could be possible that Dudley has the safety and distraction of the other dogs when they are all together. When he attacks, also, is your back turned for a second? (which you are definitely allowed to turn your back or have some alone time!). I guess i am just trying to play sherlock holmes or at least process of elimination. I know its silly to do that with doggies who seem to have gone out of their minds for a little while. It seems like since he is leaving everyone else alone, and because Dudley isn't top dog, he is trying to strike at someone lower on the totem pole?

This is all not unusual, but the severity of it is what I would be very freaked out about if it were me.

[Nancy]

I'm sorry you're going through this!! My two Schip's used to fight but not as bad. I think they actually "grew" out of it.

A big :hug99: for you!!

Keep us posted on the behavorist

[Frzframe]

I just found out that Boomer was picked on in his former home by larger MALE dogs. He also didn't like his rescuer's GS male but she thought it was because Boomer wasn't neutered. But, he did get a long with her females so this at least gives me some hope that he can be placed in a home that only has females. :)

[Chris]

That really explains a lot!

And I am happy for him. Okay, it might be a weird thing to say one is happy that a dog goes after another but that's great news that he would be fine in a new home with a girl dog.

Poor Dudley is getting punished for what someone else did to Boomer though :(

[LUVMYGUNNER]

I take it that Boomer is neutered now since your doing rescue! Poor Dudley. Here are some rays:bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz: that all will work out.

[Tex]

So sorry to hear that there having trouble playing nice. Sending big :bigrayz: and :pray: that everything works out for the best in the long run!

[Jen]

How scary!! :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz: that things will work out. Wish I had some advice to give.

[AgileOllie]

I am so sorry for your problems. I can give a little advice, though. What you need to do is take these boys on a VERY LONG walk together. It really does work wonders and I promise you will see a difference. You'll need to do it everyday, but it really will work...

Good luck.

[Frzframe]

Thanks Tonya I'll do it.

It's so sad to see one outside and the other one looking out back door since they have to be kept apart.

[Lee Anne]

So Shonda, how is the situation between the boys now? Are you still keeping them apart? Did you consult an expert? I'm curious what they said, if so. Greyson has a definite pattern. Whenever anyone becomes "unbalanced" (to borrow a Cesar term), he'll go after them. Otherwise he's very mellow.:scratch:

[Frzframe]

Everyone is getting a long as but then again its because Dudley and Boomer are kept apart.

Boomer could care less if Mitzi is barking her fool head off and sometimes Boomer will go after Dudley when he's beening submissive to me. I don't know what's going through Boomers mind. I finally was able to get Cesar's book so maybe that will help.

[badgerdogbren]

I am so sorry to hear this. I have seen this in Mill dog rescues as they are so used to being in competition with each other. It takes time to deal with this but usually we end up putting these types with only the opposite sex or as a single dog. One of my last rescues here was this way. (a female though) she hated my females and in fact on her last day here she attacked one of my little females who did nothing but walk into a room. It's sad that your baby was mistreated cause it's hard for them to get away from learned bahaviors and responses. Juts know that it's not a normal boy thing. My males are very best friends and get along better than my females. Talk to the behaviorist and see if they can find a solution. Best to you.

[Patt]

I feel for you, I have been through this. Best for those two to keep them separate. Please get professional help from a certified pet behaviorist.

[JanUet]

:hug99: SHHHHHH

I have no advice to give :imsorry:

I can lend you an ear and some comfort.
Sending Huge :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz: to you ,Boomer and Dudley

[Bella's Mom]

I don't have any advice either but wanted you to know I was thinking about you and hoping everything works out and Boomer and Dudley can be together again. :hug99: